Thank You Germany For Shutting Down Meizu

meizu booth Thank You Germany For Shutting Down Meizu

Engadget is reporting that German authorities have shut down the Meizu booth at CeBIT on concerns of piracy. These concerns stemmed from the Meizu M8, which is undoubtedly an iPhone rip off- from the form factor down to the little nuances of the touch interface.

Update: Readers are pointing out that the reason for the shut down is because of MP3 codec licensing issues. The same thing SanDisk had a problem with last year. My apologies for miss reporting this. However, I still stand my my strong words of Meizu being a thief of intellectual property.

As you know, I am by no means a fan of the iPhone, but I really have no tolerance for this kind of obvious piracy. It saddens me that companies like Meizu try to steal and profit from other peoples hard work, ideas, and innovation. It is blatant theft and dishonestly. Shame on you Meizu.

In support of intellectual property rights and creativity, I would much rather see someone buy an iPhone than a Meizu M8.


SamsungLover on March 5, 2008 1:36 PM

I heard it’s opened again…

NoComp on March 5, 2008 2:02 PM

Please … don’t rely on any poorly investigated engadget-news-crap!!!Enzo, if you’d done your homework (searching for some other sources for example) you would have learned that MEIZU’s stand has been shut down (only for a short amount of time) because of some “licencing-problem” for another MEIZU-mp3-Player. The MiniOne aka M8 wasn’t the problem and is back on the reopened MEIZU-stand!

Glasofruix on March 5, 2008 2:15 PM

The same crap happened with Sandisk last year.

EnzoTen (Grahm) on March 5, 2008 2:37 PM

@NoCompI admit to poor reporting. But it still does not change the fact that Meizu is stealing others hard work and innovations.

blahohya on March 5, 2008 4:18 PM

who cares …Meizu, Apple, Microshit, name’em, they all’d be a better place if patents were non existent.

EnzoTen (Grahm) on March 5, 2008 5:46 PM

If the world didnt have patents or copyrights no one would bother to spend money on R&D and we wouldnt have the cool innovative gadgets we have today. There would be no incentive to innovate. That is why patents exist.

NoComp on March 5, 2008 6:18 PM

Sorry Enzo, but you sound just like so many brainwashed economists nowadays.One of the main selling points of modern capitalism and its extreme industrial competition (so much even in daily life), is surely the fast technological progress.But consider how intellectual property and patents hinder an EVEN faster technological progress.Just imagine the most capable engineers of all DAP-companys working together instead of working against each other. You don’t have to be very clever to realize the enourmos impact this would have for the whole society.A combination of COWON-Hardware and APPLE-Graphical User Interface for example wouldn’t be possible if there weren’t companys like MEIZU who’d make this possible for all of us – but only by violating ridiculous rules most people think are logical these days. Following generations will hopefully laugh at stupid things like “intellectual property” like we laugh today when we think about stupid rules of ancient empires hundreds and thousands of years ago.Hopefully more quality-companys in China will follow MEIZU’s suit. It’s always the consumer that’ll benefit from this development – consider that!

JQuilty on March 5, 2008 8:20 PM

Enzo — Bullshit. If you make the claim that without patents and copyrights, we wouldn’t innovate, why have some of the biggest innovations come out of the BSDs and GNU/Linux? Microsoft incorporates a LOT of BSD code into Windows, and Apple went as far as to more or less fork FreeBSD to create Mac OS X. Here’s a short list of stuff that they created with no payment: Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP, Inkscape, KDE, Windows’ TCP/IP stack, Compiz/Beryl, and OpenGL.Patenting software is also a load of crap. Every patent I’ve ever read is either incredibly vauge, overly broad, obvious, or has been around for decades. Yahoo tried to patent drag and drop. Microsoft tried to patent sudo. You can’t honestly tell me that those deserve patent protection. Software shouldn’t even be able to be patented.On the Meizu issue, I don’t see how it’s a rip off of the iPhone. Yeah, it looks like it. But neither invented touch screen phones, and their interface isn’t even all that original. GUIs with icons in rows and columns that lead to different functions have been around since phones started to do more than just calls. Simply adding touch sensitivity doesn’t warrant a patent.

zip22 on March 6, 2008 12:15 AM

“I don’t see how it’s a rip off of the iPhone.”HA! Thats crazy, you must not be following this.I agree there are some patents that are broad/obvious/vague, but there are some ideas that deserve protection.

JQuitly on March 6, 2008 12:44 AM

No, I’m not. They’re both phones with massive touch screens and a traditional row/column icon interface. There’s nothing in either GUI that deserves a patent or copyright.

manhattanproj on March 6, 2008 12:53 AM

it’s dumb to say it’s piracy or intellectual theft. look around the world and you’ll see many things that are very similar in design. watches are just one example. how many rolex sub look alike do you see. ppl call it a “classic” design. cars are another. do all things that move and work similarly be called piracy or intellectual theft. then you may want to live in another world.if you think meizu is violating intelluctual rights, then maybe you should take this site down. creative, samsung, iriver, all other companies are building off of the success of apple ipods. apple was the first one to make mp3 players a hit. all other companies are just “copying” what apple did.don’t make stupid statements like: “I really have no tolerance for this kind of obvious piracy. It saddens me that companies like Meizu try to steal and profit from other peoples hard work, ideas, and innovation.” if you believe in that, then this site should be taken down. anything but ipods are just “stealing” and “profiting” from apple hard work, ideas and innovation.

EnzoTen (Grahm) on March 6, 2008 1:25 AM

@JQuiltyI didnt say you couldnt make money without patents, I said if patents did not exist, innovation would be stiffled.I agree that a lot of good things have come from open source but patented and fee license stuff must co-exist… its a ying and a yang relationship.@NoCompI think you wanted to say “brainwashed capitalist” not “economist”"Just imagine the most capable engineers of all DAP-companys working together instead of working against each other. You don’t have to be very clever to realize the enourmos impact this would have for the whole society.”What you are describing here is Socialism, not capitalism. We already know from history that Socialism doenst work too well. What happens to competition? Where is the incentive?@manhattanprojYou realize that Creative was was the real pioneer of the MP3 player industry right? You know apple paid them $100m?The patent system is screwed, no doubt. It has become way to strict in one direction were companies simply patent, sue, then profit. Yes, there needs to be a drastic change in the patent system. But there still needs to be a system.

NoComp on March 6, 2008 3:21 AM

Enzo, please stop thinking in categories like capitalism, socialism, communism – it isn’t that easy. And btw – inform yourself before you talk nonsense, read some books, then you would realize that socialism (as it was thought to be) never really existed.And what I proposed above might sound like “good old socialism”, but it’s only what thousands of people on the internet already do while sharing source codes and ideas, and developing LINUX, UBUNTU, FIREFOX just because they DON’T COMPETE but because they WORK TOGETHER. And as we all know these products kick ass!!!However, categories of systems are surely obsolete for such people/contrarians – when they share source codes they already think like future generations hopefully will.And what I wanted to say with “brainwashed economists” is that everytime someone proposes “working together” instead of fierce competition and intellectual property, you’ll hear answeres like: “But history already showed it doesn’t work.”Bullshit! Just stop believing what they’ve told ya in school and think for yourself like you do when its about buying a decent DAP. Believing there’s no alternative to capitalism is just like buying an iPod because you think there are no other valuable DAP’s on the market.

zip22 on March 6, 2008 8:55 AM

JQuitly, I didn’t say that there was something deserving of a patent. The M8 is a complete rip-off of the iphone.It is not just roughly the same style or layout, it uses the IDENTICAL icons and layout.

JQuitly on March 6, 2008 9:41 AM

zip — And again, the iPhone’s interface is nothing new. Go look back at GUI’s on older cells and you’ll see the only differences are that Apple added gloss and you directly touch them instead of using a d-pad. The layout has been the same on phones for god knows how long. To say Apple’s copyright should be THAT broad and cover things they didn’t even make is insane.Enzo — We were going fine with software before the Supreme Court created a loophole in the patent system. I see no reason why innovation can’t continue to go on when we still have copyrights covering the exact method (the source…not the idea itself).

zip22 on March 6, 2008 10:06 AM

Jquitly, show me a phone before the iphone that looked exactly like it. Not just similar, exact. I’m not talking about copyright. Have you seen the demos? They are doing their best to copy the iphone exactly.

EnzoTen (Grahm) on March 6, 2008 11:04 AM

@NoComp”please stop thinking in categories like capitalism, socialism, communism – it isn’t that easy”You mean stop using words to describe a social system? These words are nothing but definitions to describe a society. While capitalism can describe what goes on in many countries, it still has elements of socialism.Sorry, i subscribe to capitalism. I am no tree hugging hippie socialist. Thats not the society i want to live in. There is such a thing as responsible and ethical capitalism.@JQuiltyI completely agree with you. The patent system is screwed up and it is currently abused. One example where it was abused it the with patent holding companies such as the suit with Blackberry/RIM. And an example of where copyright was abused is where the courts extended Disney’s IP from 50 years to 100… utter BS IMO.It is abused, but we need some form of copyright and patents.

JQuilty on March 6, 2008 1:31 PM

zip — I can’t. You’re missing my point. Touch screen phones and the row/column interface existed well before the iPhone. Apple simply put two previously existing ideas together. That doesn’t warrant a copyright or patent. That’s what I’m saying. It’d be like adding a nuclear reactor to a car. two existing inventions, new combo that doesn’t warrant a copyright or patent.Now, if you could prove Meizu ripped off lines of Apple’s code (that isn’t covered by a BSD license) or derived their icons from Apple’s (images, something that does warrant copyright), then you’d have a claim.I’m not against copyrights or patents, but our current system is broken.

EnzoTen (Grahm) on March 6, 2008 2:57 PM

I think that Meizu’s phone is way too close to simply be “inspired by” – it is not just the touch screen row of buttons. Watch engadgets video. The menus are the same.”I’m not against copyrights or patents, but our current system is broken.”100% agreed! =)

feng on March 6, 2008 3:21 PM

umm… can we agree to stop fighting? some people here need to grow up. Enzoten does a service for us and if you dont like it then make a small comment and shut ur trap after or leave and dont come back to this for the first player, that would be made by a german company called elger labs that created the first mp3 player in 1998 and that year rio dimond made theirs shortly after. apple came with the ipod in either 2000 or 2001 but was sued by creative for the GUI cuz creative showed apple a prototype of their GUI for their nomad series that they later moved to the zen series

manhattanproj on March 6, 2008 5:55 PM

if you read what i wrote properly, i said apple was the one to make mp3 players a HIT. apple was the one to make the mp3 players and touch gui popular. do you REALLY think apple was the first one to come up with the idea of ipod and ipod touch? if you think meizu is stealing intellectual property, then this site should be taken down. because “anything but ipods” are just stealing and profiting off of the success of apple. just because something is popular does not mean they are the first to the idea.don’t make dumbass statement like i can’t tolerate this and that or this and that is intellectual theft. this is a copycat world where success is build off of one another. it’s a matter of who does it better. do you think google is original? do you think your web host is the first to do such business? should ford be the only ones to make automobiles?if you are so intent on such matter and can’t tolerate such “intellectual theft” then don’t use technology and go live on an’s just plain stupid and ignorant to make the statements you made, and that’s what frustrate me and other ppl.

EnzoTen (Grahm) on March 6, 2008 6:31 PM

@manhattanprojWow, you are in left field so i don’t even know how to respond to such misguided thinking. But, I see you cant have a civilized debate without name calling, its a pretty good indicator or ignorance. So im done with you. =P

NoComp on March 6, 2008 9:28 PM

@Enzo:Lately most of your statements/newsposts get some rather polarizing feedback, don’t you think.However, concerning my posts and your answers: I have the strange feeling you don’t/can’t understand what I try to tell you because you seem to be unfamiliar with what goes on “behind the curtains of economy” and your so called “possible ethical capitalism”. For my ears you sound way too positive for someone who pretends to know a lot about this system. I’d highly recommend this very well done, serious and award winning documentary to you and everyone else (for a start):’re welcome for any further scientifical literature hints. Just keep yourself informed and don’t believe the “hype”. After you’ve read enough critical/independent (NOT left wing) literature, maybe you’ll understand what “strange people like me” really try to say. ;)

sh4Dow on March 6, 2008 11:49 PM

Those patents are starting to get really strange… On another thread, there were people claiming the Meizu M6SL was an “obvious” clone of the iPod. Personally, i see no resemblance other than the fact that they’re both rectangular and thin. If the Apple sued just because a product was rectangular, thin, and had memory, then they could sue Mastercard Visa, and the other card companies around the world. Take laptops, they all look the same, so could the first company to make laptops sue the companies such as HP, Sony Vaio, Apple, Asus?

EnzoTen (Grahm) on March 7, 2008 11:21 AM

@NoCompYes, i have seen that video. While i think there is some truth to it and there is quite a bit of evil in corporations. The video is mostly antidisestablishment hippy propaganda hidden in a “documentary”.I choose to play capitalistic game, but i do so with ethics and and sympathy towards individuals. There is a happy medium.

kugel. on March 7, 2008 11:25 AM

Nice discussion! Enzo is totally right. Without patents noone would EVER come to the idea of innovating, just since the neighbor can copy it for free. The neighbard had no costs at all, but the innovator spent much money on his invention.Sure, it would be great if they worked more together. But don’t be blind. We need patents to have innovations and we need competetion to keep the prizes low/acceptable.If there wasn’t patents, no Apple wouldn’t even exist (no company would exist) to copy from.And indeed, the M8 looks too much like an iPhone.

NoComp on March 7, 2008 2:40 PM

@Enzo:Such “antidisestablishment hippy propaganda documentaries” like “The Corporation” should only be seen as a first step into the “rabbit hole” of asking yourself some painful questions.Such documentaries are a more or less a good start to get unknowing people interested in a rather complex topic which however needs to be adresses by reading a lot of scientifical literature to get an idea of how crazy our system really is.And Enzo, one last sentence concerning the “capitalistic game” you’ve mentioned:Like in every game there’s someone who’ll lose in order someone can win. Only if those losers live on another continent and are out of sight for the winning side doesn’t make this game very desirable for the WHOLE human mankind, only for us westerners and some few countries with lots of natural resources. While you read this, people are dying BECAUSE OF THIS CAPITALISTIC “GAME” which is the one to blame for most famines, wars, etc.Conclusio: this is NOT a game Enzo. Right now you don’t see the subtle coherences, but I guarantee you will, if you dare to walk down this rabbit hole and read some serious literature.

EnzoTen (Grahm) on March 7, 2008 2:52 PM

What are my other choices? Conform to everyone else and get a 9-5 or a factory job? Im not attacking im just trying to understand the alternatives.Playing the capitalistic game does not mean i have to be part of the problem. I can be a capitalist and be a solution. They are not mutually exclusive.

feng on March 7, 2008 6:09 PM

wow… there are some really stubborn people around…theoretically the best way to deal with things is just to suck it up and live life. ride the wave people. anyways.. everyone has to remember that everything that goes up must come down. there is a left to every right, a good to a bad. get the idea?im just saying that patients have their good uses and bad drawbacks so… can we all just get on with it and stop with the bickering?

m4rketsense on March 7, 2008 9:36 PM

I’m a regular reader, but rarely comment. However, this discussion struck something of a nerve. First, I’m a little disappointed that a site like Engadget would 1) allow their story to be so misinformed, and 2) allow someone’s personal feelings to influence an attack on a company they are reporting on.I’ve followed Meizu for quite a while and I find it laughable that people want to take them to task for “ripping off” Apple. Apple deserves plenty of credit (and profit) for creating products with inspired design. The iPhone is a very good product, but it is basically a rectangle with a touch screen. The real heart of the iPhone is the interface and the integration with iTunes. Because Meizu makes a product that is a rectangle with a touch screen does not make it a rip off. They’re just the first ones to do it, and many more will be coming. There are only so many ways to make such a product. Where Meizu can’t copy them is in the interface and the integration, and, of course, in the brand. More people will want an “Apple” than a “Meizu.”Intellectual property deserves protection, but it really has gone to silly extemes these days. Apple orginally sued Meizu over the M6. I own an M6, a 5G iPod, and a 3G Nano. Believe me, the M6 is certainly NOT a rip off of the iPod. In many ways, it’s a better product, with much more functionality (it had video well before the latest Nano). So, Apple suing them had very little to do with protecting their IP and much more to do with protecting their profit. Which, to me, is an abuse of the system that is supposed to protect REAL IP violations.In fact, I give Meizu some credit for taking a form factor that may be similar to Apple’s, and creating products do things better, or simply do more than what Apple’s can do (an example would be their M3). That’s just how business works today, especially in consumer electronics. How many products today are based on another’s original concept, but goes many steps further? Hundreds, thousands? It’s this concept that fuels competition, inspires innovation, and keeps giving consumers more functionality for less money.Apple is the market leader, but what incentive would they have to make their products better if competition didn’t exist? Not much, because they would be wasting their stockholder’s money by investing in innovation that was unneeded.I say, bring on the M8. If Meizu can give the market a product that can play more formats, is not shackled to iTunes, and is not tied to a single mobile service, then they are really giving the market what it is already asking for. And the best part of all that, is that it will force Apple to make the iPhone better. And frankly, I would rather have a better iPhone than an M8 (Windows CE, yuck).

NoComp on March 8, 2008 2:29 AM

@m4rketsense:So true, if the iPod Touch would have COWON-like sound quality and codec support (DivX, XviD) and MSC-compliance I’d be all over it. But I’ll have to buy a MEIZU M8 in order to get all this just because APPLE will never let this happen – don’t ask me why because it’s rather stupid IMHO. Companys like MEIZU are just the consequence of APPLE’s flaws and are kind of pioneers these days. MEIZU should get our support instead of bashing them, right Enzo?!@Feng:You’re so naive (how old are you???) it hurts to read some of your comments.It’s people like you who are the ones to blame why this world is going down the tubes by unknowingly supporting this fierce system. “Just ride the wave” – you should be arrested for this rather stupid sentence – but you don’t have the slightest clue what its all about as it seems so I’ll forgive you. So get your act together, look behind the scenes and get yourself some serious independent information my friend! Otherwise you’ll have to live an ants life and face the concequences anytime soon.

screw on March 8, 2008 8:33 PM

Enzo I understand you’re thinking for companies making new innovative designs, but in the world where consumers wont the best companies can copy a design making the original project better or worse or cheaper. If consumers wont something different the companies will be forced to change to make profit. So it all leads to competition.Sorry for my english

zip22 on March 9, 2008 2:18 PM

NoComp, if you were a company trying to create tight bonds with movie studios for your video store, what reason would you have to support the top formats used by pirates? there is no reason. if a person is using their own content, h.264 will work just as well. ipods are MSC compliant devices, thats why they show up on any OS.

NoComp on March 9, 2008 7:12 PM

No zipp no, I wont respond to your posting – its hard to resist to comment on your MSC-iPod-bullshit – but I’ll overcome this urge! :P

zip22 on March 10, 2008 12:39 AM

Its true, but keep fighting the good fight.cataloging content is not part of the MSC standard.

NoComp on March 11, 2008 5:43 PM

Zip, nearly everybody here knows, including myself, that iPods are MSC-compliant! But that’s completely useless as long you’re FORCED to use iTunes or special programs to fill your iPod with Music or Video-content.I’m pretty sure you knew what I’ve meant before, when I refused to respond to your MSC-bullshit-posting. But as always you act like a really “grown up person” and try to show others how clever you are. You’re really a pain in the ass my friend, doesn’t matter on which forum!

Noob on August 15, 2008 11:44 PM

Whoa! The UI is a home screen with icons that have text labels… LOOKS FAMILIAR RITE???

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