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Superb review dfkt!
These SM3's sound quite promising to me, should I ever decide to pony up and shell out for top notch armature IEMs, especially as a huge fan of guitar music. I am also very intrigued by your assessment that EQing the SM3 may actually detract from their overall sound characteristics since your preference for EQ is indeed well known. So glad you stuck with them and gave them a chance... ![]() Gee, guess I'm gonna have to back off on the French now, huh?
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Excellent work as always. Glad to see we ride at least one similar horse.
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Thanks Nathan. It took me more than long enough to learn to appreciate them.
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Great review dfkt.
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And for an earphone that requires higher volume levels to be enjoyed, like the sm3, you'll need less V shape since your hearing is more optimized.
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woah, finally. From your point of view, seems like um3x with better bass and bigger soundstage.
Talking about instrument separation, my UM3X has a tendency that parts where the vocals come in, the background music seems "pushed back" or "toned down", does SM3 have this issue? And about details, do you encounter in your 1 month use moments in your music that you can distinctively tell where one background music or instrument is coming from(left/right) compared to other phones you used? Cos that is 1 trait of my UM3X also. Sorry to keep comparing it to UM3X as the few reviews + design of the SM3 is too similar to it Now to source for someone who can let me audition...
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I should try blasting Grados and Etys on full volume, maybe I like them then. ![]() Well, I explained why it took so long. ![]() Quote:
With details you seem to mean the stereo imaging, as I understand it? Well, the SM3 are top notch, as I wrote. Pretty much in the same league as the UE11 - which is really good as far as balanced armature IEMs go. They're not magically wide like some dynamic driver IEMs, like the FX700, V-Moda Vibe, and such, but the SM3 have really accurate pin-point instrument separation and localization. And yeah, there were some "wow" encounters I had with the SM3's stereo imaging, where some rather unexpected sounds came from unexpected locations - in music tracks I am familiar with.
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One question about soundstage: You mention certain dynamics sounding "magically wide". In my experience, dynamics tend to "mush" everything together once increasingly complex material is introduced. Sometimes this results in the material sounding "wider", "broader" and "lush", but it's less detailed. Is this the effect you're referring to? ...and on par with the u11 for 345 funny Es? Not bad at all.
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Thanks for the great review!
The part that really caught my eye was the paragraph on you needing a long time to adjust to them. This is a much needed perspective in the world of headphones as it is an important temper on all the "Best headphone ever" and "Perfect headphone" comments that are constantly thrown around. A lot of times these concepts like "natural" and sometimes even "neutral" really boil down to the sound signature you are used to. If you listen to any comfortable and technically competent headphone for long enough, it starts sounding natural and perhaps even neutral. That's the beauty of the human brain and its plasticity. I am slightly confused by your comments on the SM3 treble. You say it's in the same class as the PFE but then say it's slightly recessed. Do you mean in comparison to the mids? I'm curious to see where you place it in your IEM chart. Quote:
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I am not dfkt, but currently testing his SM3. I also know the PFEs and concur that the SM3's treble is (at least) in the same class as the PFE's. However, the SM3 have exceptionally forward and rich mids, therefore the highs may appear somewhat recessed in comparison.
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I would almost argue that if one goes back to a previous pair of 'phones and listens to that older pair exclusively for two weeks, one would adjust back to hearing all the positives of the previous pair of 'phones as one would have adjusted/converted back to the sonic signature of the older 'phones. dfkt probably says it better: Quote:
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I'm just curious now about your personal preferences regarding the sm3 vs the fx700. The sm3 are clearly very good, and have a great form factor. And I'm not asking about which one is better, that would be comparing apples to oranges...different phones for different applications and different listening habits. But what I'm curious about is which sound signature do you prefer more?
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Great Review! I have both UM3X and SM3 and I am torn between the two unable to decide which is better.
It took a while to find a good pair of isolating ear tips for the SM3's. I have now settled with Large Ety foamies which gives the best isolation and fit. I think I am going to give it some more time before I decide to put it up for sale. So far, I find the UM3X to be a better sounding earphone right out of Clip+ but I am going to keep an open mind
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Exactly what James444 said. Treble is always sparkly, incredibly precise and detailed, and never sibilant - just the weighting compared to the midrange is different to the PFE. Well, the SM3 treble is maybe even a bit more refined, but that could be because of the different weighting, since it's never too forward.
(WTF, you registered in November 2008 already? Spy! )
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Agree about the treble... so precise, layered, and spatially powerful, yet never remotely hinting at harshness. Incredible. To my ears they make the FX700's seem brash and overdone in the highs. At first you think there's more detail and clarity with the JVC's, but in comparison the details are all there with the SM3's yet there's more space and placement. And this is with such smoothness and refinement. In this way they're a paradox in IEM's.
Normally I call myself a basshead, but I'm enjoying this seemingly impossible combination of smoothness/refinement and detail of the SM3's even more than my usual need for powerful bass. It gives them such a feeling of air and space... I am so impressed by the SM3's. Oh, and great review dfkt. :0)
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Great review. Much appreciated
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I would agree with that statement in general. In the end both don't seem to exaggerate any parts of the frequency range overly much - the PFE have more forward treble than the SM3, the SM3 have more substantial bass, and in the end the SM3 sound more "weighty, beefy, bold" while the PFE sound more "thin, lean" as a whole. That way, one could say the SM3's midrange is more forward, even if it's not something in the frequency response. Yet both are incredibly fast - which is one of the paradoxes with the SM3.
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@dfkt - Thanks. That clears up a lot. I've read some other comments that say the SM3s lower midrange seems boosted in comparison to the upper midrange, and what you're describing fits with what happens when I boost the lower midrange and bass of the PFE. The sound has more weight, but the upper mids and treble take a slight step back relative to the rest of the spectrum.
This isn't a bad thing as it actually makes the PFE a little more dynamic and more pleasant to listen to, especially at lower volumes. The sound just has more body. I can now better understand what you mean when you said the SM3 treble takes a backseat to the mids and bass, but it's not rolled off or muffled. |
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dfkt or anybody else who has the SM3. Could you do the following tests for me?
1. Perform a frequency sweep from 20hz to 20khz. Where do you hear the SM3 rolling off? dfkt has already said it's starts rolling off below 30hz, but what about at the top end? Any there any spikes or dips in the audible range? 2. Could you add a few db at ~4khz and ~6khz using an EQ? How does the sound change? People have reported increased clarity - does the clarity increase a lot? A little? Does the harshness or sibilance increase? Thanks. |
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At low listening levels (can't stand sine waves at high volumes): 20Hz is where they start, above 30Hz it all sounds linear to me, then there's a slight perceived dip between 1.6-2kHz, a slight peak around 3kHz, another slight peak around 4.1kHz, then a slight dip around 4.7kHz, a broad peak between 6.2-10kHz, then it slowly starts rolling off towards 16.5, where my hearing ends. All in all, nothing extravagant, typical hearing curve.
I feel no need trying to increase their clarity - they are perfectly clear to my ears, after all this time getting used to them. One EQing step that might make them easier to listen to for people who aren't accustomed to them, is lowering the band around ~150-500Hz by a few dB. But I got used to their signature, and I like them as they are. Their treble is basically perfect to my ears (that's why I gave it best place in my spreadsheet), personally I would at most use a high shelf of a few dB above ~2kHz for people that find the treble energy to be too little. I wouldn't start messing with specific bands in the high range - it might break their nice treble response.
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