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Old 11-25-2012, 03:51 AM
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This reminds me of an experiment I made when studying electronics. We had very expensive DC power supplies in the lab, which provided better DC than one would ever need for domestic appliances. However good these power supplies were, it was quite easy to measure imperfections in this DC with an oscilloscope, while a battery would always show a perfect flat-line at any resolution.

Audiophiles often claim that they can hear things that can't be measured with sophisticated test equipments, so...
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:27 AM
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I agree, but an audiophile will most probably find a way to convince himself that there's hum in your system, because it's not an expensive one.
In most cases price has nothing to do with it, you can find great performing low cost amps as well as expensive ones. While the BYOB amplifier may fall into the later, I state "may" as I've not heard it and doubt I ever will. It undoubtedly falls into the snake oil category
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:59 PM
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I bet if all the components are added up, it won't amount much past $50.00. But I say this: There are many "audiophiles" who would pay a premium price just to get a system that's a micron of a decible quieter than the next quiet one. If they want to pay for an over inflated priced circuit, that's their problem.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:32 AM
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Oh, it gets better...........6c2ba386.gif
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OK, it's bad enough that some Head-fi members are saying that WAV files sound better than FLAC files (which is ridiculous IMO), but now I have seen it all....

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Even ended up buying 3 more 32 GB Sandisk SDHC cards since I'm no longer gonna use the 64 GB cards (doesn't sound as good)Yeah I don't know why but I just hear the 32 GB cards as sounding better. It's strange.... It could very well be due to the the cards designs SDHC and SDXC. More compression/density of the larger cards. But when I compare them on songs that I am extremely familiar with the differences are undeniable for me. I find the songs on the 32 GB cards to be more coherent. Bass reaches deeper with more control. Treble on the 64 GB card had this hollow tinge to it. Even the positioning of the sound stage is slightly different. Overall I found the sound on the 32 GB cards to be more natural and effortless in comparison.
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It's true. They sound better the smaller they get. That's why I've switched to 512mb cards, because they sound the sweetest.
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Send me all your 64gb cards,...I'm just not audiophile I guess!!!
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OK, it's bad enough that some Head-fi members are saying that WAV files sound better than FLAC files (which is ridiculous IMO), but now I have seen it all....
Good lord, that's the most ridiculous sheeeeeet I've ever read!
Wow.
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:21 AM
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I'm glad I only got a 32Gb for my phone now
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Hey, I have an 8GB card. That should sound even better!
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Hey, I have an 8GB card. That should sound even better!
Well, OBVIOUSLY. Your bits are larger, with more space around them, resulting in a more "airy" sound, with better instrument separation. Duh!
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Old 06-12-2013, 01:59 PM
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From the same Head face place, talking about how the music on a Sony sounds different between various Android versions:

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I do remember quite a drastic change between the GB and ICS. My memory is getting blurry so take it with a grain of salt. But I think that the GB sounded sharper and had more sparkle (especially in the highs), while the ICS sounded softer/smoother in note with a bigger soundstage.
I need to go back to Gingerbread so I can hear my tunes properly. lmao.
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Reviving this thread, because nonsense is eternal...

The winner of today's Misinformed Hodgepodge of Audiophile Devotion Award goes to:

This guy on head-fi. In a PONO* thread, no less!

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There is a limit of size to what kind of electronic parts can be put inside AK240. We can argue how good is 'good' but the amplifying circuit of AK240 is no match to a good portable amp. This means that the sound quality of this player is not optimal and not on the level of quality of its DACs. Why go through trouble of fitting in a superior and expensive DACs into this player when the amplification will not do justice to these good parts ? It's like having very expensive headphones and putting a cheap substandard cable on them. PONO makers were more smart, they did not make it flat but triangular so that bigger and better electronic components of amplification can fit in. The amplifying section of PONO is thus bound to be better than the one of AK240.

It is incomprehensible that the outfit responsible for AK240 did not design this player to have a dedicated analog line out so that the audio signal can be fed to a portable amplifier.

Red Wine Audio does modding of AK240 to improve its sound, this includes installing a proper analog "line out" in this player.

- http://redwineaudio.com/mods/rwak240

- http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=125158.0
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Old 10-11-2014, 11:26 AM
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Personally I've accepted that there will always be unfortunate people like them. I think of them as unfortunate because it doesn't seem they'll ever realize just how simple getting great sound from an digital device is. They'll always be using a flawed understanding of how electronics, software and human hearing work to chase something that's better than what they have.

They'll always be locked into bigger is better. They'll never realize how ludicrous the concept of needing a huge case to hold "superior" audio equipment is. They cite test results that say one DAC or amp performs better than another but won't accept that at a certain easily obtained level the ear can't distinguish the difference the test results indicate.

Fortunately they only represent a very small fraction of all the people that listen to music. Say "Pono" or "AK240" to just about everyone and you get a blank look. The only time I had anyone ask me about the Pono I asked them how much they were willing to pay to buy their music again because someone said what they had now has no feeling or emotion to it.

After they stopped laughing we spent an enjoyable evening listening to the music that had no soul or feeling. It sounded damn fine to us but what do we know.
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