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Old 11-06-2012, 04:36 PM
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Default [Tutorial]:Synching to Internal and Micro SD Memory Using FreeFileSync

[edit 2014-06-01]CAUTION - When installing FreeFileSync (version 6.6 & possibly later), deselect the Conduit agreement box on the initial installer screen to avoid installation of third party add-on software you may likely find to be obnoxious.

[edit 2013-03-25]CAUTION - When installing FreeFileSync use the custom installation option and take care to deselect the optional third party add-ons.

I recently upgraded to the latest version and inadvertently installed several obnoxious applets, including Conduit, MyFreeGames, OpenCandy, plus a PITA Bing Firefox exploit. Fortunately I was able to clear it all up with AdwCleaner.
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[Moderators: I'm posting this in the Clip forum but the topic would also apply to other players with an external memory slot.]

My music library had just about exceeded my 32GB micro SDHC card capacity, so I came up with a way to automatically sync from my PC to both internal and external memory as I continue to add more music. The plan is to wait until I fill up the internal 8GB before buying a 64GB card. Then prices should be considerably lower.

Previously when I used both memories my process was to separate my library alphabetically and manually drag and drop new music to the two memory locations.

My more recent process, while just using the external memory, has been to run Microsoft SyncToy, which is completely automatic once set up. I thought I would eventually configure SyncToy with filters to automatically sync to both locations, but it seems Microsoft is no longer maintaining SyncToy. So I looked around for other alternatives and found FreeFileSync which is a lot more powerful and is undergoing active development.

FreeFileSync is fairly complex so I don't suggest this for folks who aren't at least somewhat tech savvy. But for those who are interested here is a rough tutorial. You can follow it if you have your music organized in folders (sub-directories) for each artist.

First erase all music sub-directories and files from both memory locations on your player. But make sure there is still a directory named "Music" in the root of both the internal and external memory.

Download, install, and run FreeFileSync.

Next create two folder pairs in FreeFileSync, one for each memory location on your player, with the source for both being the location of the music library on your PC.



Then set up filters for each folder pair similar to:

Internal Memory



External Memory



The above examples show how I have filtered all artists beginning with the letter "T" through "Z" to go to the internal memory, and all other artists with the exception of some beginning with the letter "S" going to the external memory. For fine tuning I also split out the artists beginning with "S" to go to each memory location. I don't recommend you get that granular, but the examples show it's possible if you want to.

Then use the Compare function of FreeFileSync to see if the filters you've set up split your library in roughly the proportion of the memory available in each location. If not you should be able to adjust the filters until you have approximately the split you want.



The global Filter at the bottom of the application window includes default exclusions. You may also set it to filter out other extraneous files that you don't need on your DAP.



Then set the Synchronization settings to Mirror with Permanent Deletion handling.



Then click on the Synchronize button.

FreeFileSync will track the progress.





Finally save your Configuration settings at the lower left of the FreeFileSync window with a file name specific to the player you are syncing to.

From now on, until your fill up either memory location of your player, when you add new music to your library you should only need to load this configuration and run it to sync the player.

As I said this is a very rough tutorial, and I don't have enough experience yet to guarantee long term results, but I thought it was still worth sharing. Please proceed at your risk. Though probably the only thing you have to risk is your free time.

If you do try this please add your own experience to this thread.

Last edited by Pennhaven; 06-01-2014 at 11:14 AM. Reason: Improve Clarity; Fix Screen Shot for External Memory Filter; warn about adware
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:25 AM
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I use a freebie called winmerge for maintaining backup. Fairly straightforward to use and can filter out files/directories to be ignored. Configuration setup can be saved.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:36 PM
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I've moved your tutorial to Software. I think it's the more likely place for it. There's any number of devices now that have internal and external memories that people are interested in filling in an "overflow" fashion. This should work as well for an Android device or phone with an external card.

Nice job on explaining a basic setup but as you say there's a lot more that can be done if you have the patience and savvy to dig in. I tried a number of file comparing syncing software that can do this a few years back and the slowness of doing it over USB caused me to drop it. I have a card reader and much faster cards now so I'm believing that may speed things up.

Thanks for sharing.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:47 PM
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...Thanks for sharing.
OK. You're welcome. I edited it a bit to clean up some of my sloppy writing.
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Old 05-17-2014, 09:33 AM
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I just downloaded FreeFileSync 6.5. Is there any way to install it without all the crapware? When I get to the Conduit installation step (which basically tells me that it's going to hijack every browser installed on the system) and uncheck "I agree", the button on the screen still says "Install", so I cancel and go no further.

Are there any comparable Windows applications worth installing?
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Old 05-17-2014, 10:10 AM
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Well, I think I managed to install it without any of the garbage. Next time I attempted to install, it offered some kind of AOL crapware. I took a chance, unchecked "I agree" and then "Install" and I don't think it installed anything. Sheesh.
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:03 AM
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Well, I think I managed to install it without any of the garbage. Next time I attempted to install, it offered some kind of AOL crapware. I took a chance, unchecked "I agree" and then "Install" and I don't think it installed anything. Sheesh.
Yeah. Sheesh is a good word for it. I did add a warning though at the top of the original post. But with the latest version I see the developer has made it harder to avoid the add-ons.

FreeFileSync didn't include the add-ons when I first posted about it. It's really unfortunate that the developer added them later. Possibly he needed the money, and not enough people donate to support apps like this. I'm still using it though, and still highly recommend it. It's absolutely the best sync utility I have tried.

You used to be able to just use the custom installation option and deselect the optional add-ons, but I see when I tried to reinstall version 6.5 just now a second time, to be sure, that it doesn't offer a simple method the second time, so I don't know now how to avoid the add-ons easily in every case.

If you've found a way please share it.

Last edited by Pennhaven; 05-19-2014 at 11:46 AM. Reason: revised after trying to reinstall latest version.
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:36 AM
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Can you to edit the title so that anyone that might be interested knows things have changed significantly since you first wrote the OP? An updated precaution as part of the edit would also be a good idea.

I'm not sure how much good it will do tbh. Your current edit would have made me stay away and look for other file sync software. If someone chooses to ignore it and try this anyway a more strongly worded precaution may or may not deter them.
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:37 AM
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I can't say for certain, but I think you just very carefully read each step of the installation and don't agree to any of the terms for the 3rd party stuff.

But I've accidentally installed Conduit before with some other piece of software and it's _NASTY_. It was very difficult to remove completely. I ended up actually uninstalling and reinstalling a couple of the browsers I had been running at the time. I wouldn't take any chances with it. If it offers to install Conduit, I'd cancel immediately and re-run the installer.

Anyway ... I played around a little with this program and I don't think it's what I was looking for. My master Mp3 library is about five times the size of what will fit on a 32 GB card, so what I normally do is pick and choose individual albums to go on the card and into the internal memory. Having to use the filters of this program to accomplish that seems pretty tedious.
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:53 AM
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Can you to edit the title so that anyone that might be interested knows things have changed significantly since you first wrote the OP? An updated precaution as part of the edit would also be a good idea.

I'm not sure how much good it will do tbh. Your current edit would have made me stay away and look for other file sync software. If someone chooses to ignore it and try this anyway a more strongly worded precaution may or may not deter them.
Done.
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:56 AM
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Anyway ... I played around a little with this program and I don't think it's what I was looking for. My master Mp3 library is about five times the size of what will fit on a 32 GB card, so what I normally do is pick and choose individual albums to go on the card and into the internal memory. Having to use the filters of this program to accomplish that seems pretty tedious.
Yeah. It would be tedious in your case. Filters only work well in simpler cases. Thanks for the feedback though. Sorry it wasn't worth your time.
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Old 06-01-2014, 11:07 AM
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Update

I just installed version 6.6 of FreeFileSync and was easily able to circumvent installation of any undesirable software.

I unchecked the Conduit agreement box on the first installer screen and FreeFileSync installed with no sign of Conduit or any other unhelpful ware.

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Old 06-01-2014, 11:30 AM
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Thanks for the update. See you've updated the OP. Thanks again.

TBH I had given thought to getting rid of this thread. That felt too nanny state with your updated warning and the basic tutorial should work with other file sync software so I left it. Anyone that didn't read a clear warning like yours would find a way to screw up with some other software anyway.
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Old 06-01-2014, 12:09 PM
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You're welcome.

If it weren't (IMO) such a good utility, I'd have agreed if you had removed thread.

But it actually is very worthwhile well designed software tool, that's constantly being refined. I use it multiple times each week for a variety of syncing chores between my workstation, DAPs, flash drives, tablet, phone, and NAS.
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