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Old 11-05-2007, 05:07 PM
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Hi, I'm new here. (obligatory newbie greeting) That is new to posting, not to reading. I've found quite a few answers to my questions here already, but now find myself with a problem no one else seems to have reported.

I've had my Pilot 8GB about 2 weeks. I'm just now starting to tinker with the SD card capability (though that was one of the main reasons I chose this player). The time for "Profiling Media Files" at startup is much longer when the SD card is inserted. 2min 40sec, every time I turn it on! That's compared to maybe 5sec without the card (except for first start up after removing the card, that was 15-20sec). There's no audio during that time. It just displays the message:
Build Library..
1017

with "Media Manager" and the hourglass image at the bottom of the screen.

The Pilot's report of its memory:
Internal -- Total 7.7GB - Use 5.6GB - Free 2.1GB
External -- Total 1.9GB - Use 826MB - Free 1.1GB

In the internal memory I have: 740 mp3s, 8 avis, and 1 jpeg.
On the SD card: 260 mp3s, 23 m3u playlists, and 8 jpegs.
(1017 is obviously the file count, not including playlists)

I'm using a 2GB SanDisk "Standard" (blue, not the black "premium" or "extreme") SD card. I've had the card since late-May and used it in my camera and Palm with no problems.

Anyone have thoughts on what's going on? This card isn't even half-full. I'm afraid to think what would happen with a larger card that was full!

Many thanks!
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:42 PM
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Do you know how fast your card is? I am using a class 6 (meaning 6 mb/s write speed) sdhc card that is 16GB. I am using about 12GB of that and I have a start up time that is probably just under a minute with bluetooth on.
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:14 PM
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Thank you Tu154, sounds like the class rating is worth the extra cost.

Have you loaded more than 3K of files on your card?
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:28 PM
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I have about 13GB on my card now. For comparing SDHC and regular sd card speeds, a class 6 SDHC card would be the equivalent of a 40x SD card. So if you don't need a large capacity, you can get a SD card that is just as fast or faster than a class 6 SDHC card.
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:54 AM
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Tu154, since your anwsers and my Q's are still OT...

1) How many files are on your SDHC card? <would really like to know a file limit on the SDHC cards>

2) You also mentioned with Bluetooth on @ less than a minute boot up, is it faster with out BT on?

Thank you for your help.
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:35 PM
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I have about 1800 tracks on there now. I am not aware of any file limits on sdhc cards, however I think there is a 2000 file limit on the Pilot right that will hopefully be raised in a firmware update. If you have bluetooth on, it takes a few extra seconds on startup to initialize.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:15 PM
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Mine starts up in about 4 secs without SD card. I am going to put about 3.2GB on my 4GB class 4 SDHC card and I will let you know how it goes. Thats about 700 extra music files
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Ok there is no 2000 file limit, because I currently have 2048 songs and no problem

As for loading time, I guess I'm a little shocked at how long it took it to start up. About 21 seconds
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Ok there is no 2000 file limit, because I currently have 2048 songs and no problem

As for loading time, I guess I'm a little shocked at how long it took it to start up. About 21 seconds
Better than 2:41 on the older SD card

The 2K limit is on the NS-DVxG 1.2 FW
micro.giraffe mentioned issues with 3K files...

The big Q is if the Pilot has a 3K file limit (present FW), will this also cap out the external to 3K?

It would also be interesting to see how boot time is affected on the new class 6, 16 GB compared to the a class 4 or 6. (maxed to file limit, of course)
Time will tell, suspect very soon.
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Old 11-07-2007, 10:33 PM
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It seems I confused micro.giraffe's post with another posting from http://www.dapreview.net/p/forum/for...ic.php?70949.0
The above post is about a possible 3K limit on the present Pilot FW

But this post does bring to light the importance of fast memory.

Since I'm not even a Pilot owner, I'm posting because of my need for "pudd'in"
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Ok there is no 2000 file limit, because I currently have 2048 songs and no problem

As for loading time, I guess I'm a little shocked at how long it took it to start up. About 21 seconds
I have tried putting more than 2000 songs on my sdhc card last night and I couldn't get it to show more than 2000. Will it only show that it has 2000 or is it a limit for the external memory? Maybe it depends on the usb mode you transfer it with?
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It could be a firmware limit.

I always use the UMS/MSC
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OK, I wasn't using UMS/MSC. Maybe I will try doing it that way. Although last time I tried transfering with UMS/MSC, I couldn't get my m3u playlists to work. I can only get playlists to work if I use Windows media player to syncronize using MTP. Do I have to modify the m3u files in some way to get them to work in UMS/MSC?
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OK, I wasn't using UMS/MSC. Maybe I will try doing it that way. Although last time I tried transfering with UMS/MSC, I couldn't get my m3u playlists to work. I can only get playlists to work if I use Windows media player to syncronize using MTP. Do I have to modify the m3u files in some way to get them to work in UMS/MSC?
I believe with the m3u playlists you do have to modify them manually etc. So I would still create the playlists in MTP mode.
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I believe with the m3u playlists you do have to modify them manually etc. So I would still create the playlists in MTP mode.
If you synchronize the playlists with MTP mode, Windows Media Player creates .pla playlists on the Pilot, so is there no way just to copy over .m3u playlists? I have also tried using media monkey, but it never showed the external memory of the Pilot, so I just use WMP.
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If you synchronize the playlists with MTP mode, Windows Media Player creates .pla playlists on the Pilot, so is there no way just to copy over .m3u playlists? I have also tried using media monkey, but it never showed the external memory of the Pilot, so I just use WMP.
Well the M3U's work in UMS mode only, but you have to almost manually make them

I usually just mount the device as MTP, then right click on folder and select create playlist. Then when it's done just put them in a folder and im done
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OK, thanks, I'll play around with it later. I hope I work out getting more than 2000 tracks on there, I am going on a few long flights in Dec and I want to have all my music on there plus some movies.
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OK, thanks, I'll play around with it later. I hope I work out getting more than 2000 tracks on there, I am going on a few long flights in Dec and I want to have all my music on there plus some movies.
I thought the limit was closer to 3k... either way best of luck man
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I tried making the playlists while in MTP mode using windows explorer and that seems to work the best for me. I have had trouble with getting WMP to sych playlists correctly in even in MTP mode and your way seems to be the only way around using WMP to make playlists. So before I go to bed I will format the sdhc card and transfer all my music using UMS and tomorrow I will see if it shows more than 2000 tracks, then I can recreate some of my playlists on the Pilot.

I don't know what the deal is with my Pilot showing 2000 tracks, I have tried adding more on top of the 2000 and those worked too. Maybe it will only show 2000 at a time or something because I am pretty sure there are many more than 2000. How are you checking how many tracks you have, by going on the player and choosing play all?
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