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Old 08-15-2008, 11:56 AM
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Sorry, this is a question, not an answer. Forgot the ? in the title. The SMC is making my audio and video out-of sync so I'm trying to ditch it. Has anyone successfully converted videos with Super and put it directly on the Fuze? I have done a lot of thread searches and didn't find any help. I did an analysis of a SMC video file with super with these results:
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Format : AVI Format/Info :
Audio Video Interleave

Format/Family :
RIFF
File size :
20.8 MiB
PlayTime :
3mn 33s
Bit rate :
819 Kbps
StreamSize :
16.5 MiB
Writing application :
InterVideo

Video #0
Codec :
DivX 5
Codec/Family :
MPEG-4V
Codec settings, Packet bitstream :
No
PlayTime :
3mn 33s
Bit rate :
41 Kbps
Width :
224 pixels
Height :
176 pixels
Display Aspect ratio :
1.273
Frame rate :
20.000 fps Resolution : 32 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) :
0.052
StreamSize :
1.05 MiB

Audio #0 Codec :
MPEG-1 Audio layer 3

PlayTime :
3mn 33s
Bit rate mode :
CBR
Bit rate :
128 Kbps
Channel(s) :
2 channels
Sampling rate :
44.1 KHz
Resolution :
16 bits
StreamSize :
3.26 MiB
Writing library :
Xing (new)

So far I have tried
Output Container: Avi;
Output Codecs: Mpeg, DivX, MS-Mpeg4-v1;
Output Audio: mp3;
FFmpeg
Res: 224x176;
FPS: 20;
Bitrate(Video): 624, 819
Sampling Feq: 44.1khz;
2 Channels;
Bitrate (Audio): 128
And left everything else on default settings.

The closest I got was with Avi, DivX, mp3, 819 Bitrate, and then I chose DvX50 in the popup screen when it asked. The output video file had these settings and didn't work on the Fuze.


General #0

Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family :
RIFF
File size : 9.58 MiB
StreamSize :
303 KiB

Video #0
Codec :
DivX 5
Codec/Family :
MPEG-4V
Codec profile : Simple Profile/Level 1
Codec settings, Packet bitstream :
No
Codec settings, BVOP :
No
Codec settings, QPel :
No
Codec settings,
GMC :
0
Codec settings,
Matrix :
Default
Width :
224 pixels
Height :
176 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 1.273
Frame rate : 20.000 fps
Resolution :
8 bits
Chroma :
4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
StreamSize :
6.03 MiB

Audio #0
Codec :
MPEG-1 Audio layer 3
Codec profile :
Joint stereo
Bit rate mode :
CBR
Bit rate :
128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate :
44.1 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
StreamSize : 3.26 MiB
Writing library :
LAME3.93U
Coherency/PlayTime :
213525

So my stream sizes are different for both General and Video, under Video/ Codec Profile: the new file has Simple Profile, and the new video resolution was 8 Bits vs the old 32 bits. There are also some other differences, but I'm not experienced enough to understand them. Are there any pro Super users here who can help me out? Thanks for reading this long post

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Old 08-15-2008, 12:01 PM
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From what I am reading, the videos from the Fuze is the same as the e200v2. People have been trying to figure out it too. Here is the e200v2 video thread: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum...ad.php?t=25467
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Old 08-15-2008, 06:11 PM
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well, my biggest prob is when the SMC converts my mp4s to avis, it makes the audio gradually out of sync with video, and by 30 minutes, the audio is lagging badly. does anyone experience this too?
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Old 08-15-2008, 11:16 PM
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They are DivX codec in an AVI container.

Since I do not have a Fuze, I can not test what is wrong.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:29 PM
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Reading the header files and the ffmpeg man file, I noticed the following about your "unworking" file vs the example file:

your file has 8bpp depth, the example file has a 32 bpp depth

Here's the ffmpeg string I'd use, I'll test tonight.

ffmpeg -i foo.file -b 41 -r 20 -s 224x176 -bf 2 -vcodec mpeg4 -vtag divx -ab 128 -ac 2 -acodec mp3 foo.avi

Switches (based on input header):

-i: input file
-b: video bitrate (in kbps) from video stream section
-r: video framerate from video stream section
-s: video resolution WxH from video stream section
-bf: bframes setting needs to be 2 to be divx5 compliant
-vcodec: what video codec to use
-vtag: add divx vtag
-ab: audio bitrate in kbps from audio stream section
-ac: audio channels from audio stream section
-acodec: audio codec from audio stream section
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:50 AM
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testet using libmp3lame as audio output but still not recognized by my fuze...
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:46 PM
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Here are two file info extracted using Mediainfo. The first is encoded by SMC, the later is encoded by WinAvi9 (alone). Both work well on Fuze. Although the two files are not the same movie, they do share identical duration - and note the file size difference b/w the two. The one encoded by SMC is significant larger (and actually suffer from A/V out-of-sync issue)/ Hope these info help.

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General
Complete name: [SMC movie]
Format: AVI
Format/Info: Audio Video Interleave
File size: 609 MiB
Duration: 1h 44mn
Overall bit rate: 818 Kbps
Writing application: InterVideo

Video
Format: MPEG-4 Visual
Format settings, BVOP: Yes
Format settings, QPel: No
Format settings, GMC: No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix: Default
Codec ID: DX50
Codec ID/Hint: DivX 5
Duration: 1h 44mn
Bit rate: 682 Kbps
Width: 224 pixels
Height: 176 pixels
Display aspect ratio: 1.273
Frame rate: 20.000 fps
Resolution: 24 bits
Scan type: Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame): 0.865
Stream size: 508 MiB (83%)

Audio
Format: MPEG Audio
Format version: Version 1
Format profile: Layer 3
Codec ID: 55
Codec ID/Hint: MP3
Duration: 1h 44mn
Bit rate mode: Constant
Bit rate: 128 Kbps
Channel(s): 2 channels
Sampling rate: 44.1 KHz
Resolution: 16 bits
Stream size: 95.3 MiB (16%)
Alignment: Split accross interleaves
Interleave, duration: 100 ms (2.00 video frames)
Writing library: LAME3.92

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General
Complete name: [WinAvi9 movie]
Format: AVI
Format/Info: Audio Video Interleave
File size: 224 MiB
Duration: 1h 44mn
Overall bit rate: 299 Kbps

Video
Format: MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile: Simple@L3
Format settings, BVOP: No
Format settings, QPel: No
Format settings, GMC: No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix: Default
Codec ID: XVID
Codec ID/Hint: XviD
Duration: 1h 44mn
Bit rate: 166 Kbps
Width: 224 pixels
Height: 176 pixels
Display aspect ratio: 1.273
Frame rate : 20.000 fps
Resolution: 24 bits
Colorimetry: 4:2:0
Scan type: Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame): 0.210
Stream size: 124 MiB (55%)
Writing library: ZJMedia MPEG Encoder

Audio
Format: MPEG Audio
Format version: Version 1
Format profile: Layer 3
Codec ID: 55
Codec ID/Hint: MP3
Duration: 1h 44mn
Bit rate mode: Constant
Bit rate: 128 Kbps
Channel(s): 2 channels
Sampling rate: 44.1 KHz
Resolution: 16 bits
Stream size: 95.7 MiB (43%)
Alignment: Split accross interleaves
Interleave, duration: 1000 ms (20.00 video frames)
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Old 04-16-2009, 03:09 AM
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I hope that someone could use these informations to grab out a ffmpeg line...
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Actual post in the Sansa forum in the "How-To Videos" section, of all places....
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Is it possible to watch HD videos on my Fuze? Because every I use the Sansa Converter to convert it, it always goes back to the .avi format, which is the normal quality. Help please"\
After I LOL'd I was kind and simply answered that no, it was not possible.
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Thank you ClieOS! Didn't know WinAVI worked. Now to figure out ProCoder...
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Old 02-24-2010, 05:01 PM
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Hey guys, it looks like this thread has been dead a while. I recently got a 2gb Fuze and have been trying to find an encoding profile that will allow me to not have to use that wonky Sandisk converting software for my videos. And since I am on Ubuntu, I can't use the Sandisk software anyways.

So I have been doing some testing, and comparing using MediaInfo to see how different files compare to known working files. At first, I was looking at the audio properties, the "Format Settings Mode" and especially the "Alignment" and "Interleave Duration" settings. Going to Windows, and using VirtualDub and its interleaving settings, I was able to reproduce all of these settings except for the audio would be "Joint Stereo" instead of "Dual Mono" in the "Format Settings Mode." And I could not get any files to work.

So I began to wonder, what if I used Virtualdub or another program to simply COPY both the audio and video streams to another file? Would that file then play in the Fuze? So I did that using Virtualdub, and again got ALL of the MediaInfo settings to match, every single one! So I figured this file has to work in the player; it DIDN'T!!!

So I looked at the filesizes of the two videos, and I will post screenshots for all of this. The copied file was 111Kb smaller than the working file. Then upon MediaInfo expection, I saw that the working file's audio track was 1ms longer than the copied one. So using VirtualDub, I extracted the audio and video only of each file. I found that the audio was IDENTICAL in size, and the video was IDENTICAL in size as well. You can also see this in the MediaInfo, the video and audio "Stream Size" are the same for both files, but the filesizes do not match!

SO... There IS some other data being stored in that file!!! There must be some metadata added to the video file by the Sansa Media Converter software!

Here is the MediaInfo for each file, and screenshots of the files and their sizes.

Code:
General
Complete name                   " : WORKING FILE
Format                          " : "AVI
Format/Info                     " : "Audio Video Interleave
File size                       " : "4.99" MiB"
Duration                        " : "50s 51ms
Overall bit rate                " : "837" Kbps"
Writing application             " : "InterVideo

Video
ID                              " : "0
Format                          " : "MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile                  " : "Simple@L0
Format settings, BVOP           " : "Yes
Format settings, QPel           " : "No
Format settings, GMC            " : ""No warppoints"
Format settings, Matrix         " : ""Format_Settings_Matrix_Default (H.263)"
Codec ID                        " : "DX50
Codec ID/Hint                   " : "DivX 5
Duration                        " : "50s 50ms
Bit rate                        " : "683" Kbps"
Width                           " : "224" pixels"
Height                          " : "176" pixels"
Display aspect ratio            " : "1.273
Frame rate                      " : "20.000" fps"
Resolution                      " : "8" bits"
Scan type                       " : "Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)              " : "0.866
Stream size                     " : "4.07" MiB" (82%)

Audio
ID                              " : "1
Format                          " : "MPEG Audio
Format version                  " : "Version 1
Format profile                  " : "Layer 3
Format_Settings_Mode            " : "Dual mono
Codec ID                        " : "55
Codec ID/Hint                   " : "MP3
Duration                        " : "50s 51ms
Bit rate mode                   " : "Constant
Bit rate                        " : "128" Kbps"
Channel(s)                      " : "2" channels"
Sampling rate                   " : "44.1" KHz"
Stream size                     " : "782" KiB" (15%)
Alignment                       " : ""Split accross interleaves"
Interleave, duration            " : "100 ms (2.00" video frames")



Code:
General
Complete name                   " : COPIED FILE
Format                          " : "AVI
Format/Info                     " : "Audio Video Interleave
File size                       " : "4.88" MiB"
Duration                        " : "50s 50ms
Overall bit rate                " : "818" Kbps"
Writing application             " : "InterVideo
Writing library                 " : "VirtualDub build 32706/release

Video
ID                              " : "0
Format                          " : "MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile                  " : "Simple@L0
Format settings, BVOP           " : "Yes
Format settings, QPel           " : "No
Format settings, GMC            " : ""No warppoints"
Format settings, Matrix         " : ""Format_Settings_Matrix_Default (H.263)"
Codec ID                        " : "DX50
Codec ID/Hint                   " : "DivX 5
Duration                        " : "50s 50ms
Bit rate                        " : "683" Kbps"
Width                           " : "224" pixels"
Height                          " : "176" pixels"
Display aspect ratio            " : "1.273
Frame rate                      " : "20.000" fps"
Resolution                      " : "8" bits"
Scan type                       " : "Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)              " : "0.866
Stream size                     " : "4.07" MiB" (83%)

Audio
ID                              " : "1
Format                          " : "MPEG Audio
Format version                  " : "Version 1
Format profile                  " : "Layer 3
Format_Settings_Mode            " : "Dual mono
Codec ID                        " : "55
Codec ID/Hint                   " : "MP3
Duration                        " : "50s 50ms
Bit rate mode                   " : "Constant
Bit rate                        " : "128" Kbps"
Channel(s)                      " : "2" channels"
Sampling rate                   " : "44.1" KHz"
Stream size                     " : "782" KiB" (16%)
Alignment                       " : ""Split accross interleaves"
Interleave, duration            " : "100 ms (2.00" video frames")
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