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Old 09-24-2008, 10:25 PM
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Is it possible to play and listen to the ZEN while charging it?

Either through the USB connection to the computer, or through a wall charger?
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Old 09-24-2008, 10:32 PM
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Is it possible to play and listen to the ZEN while charging it?

Either through the USB connection to the computer, or through a wall charger?
Through a wall charger, yes...I think there is a way to through the computer, but don't know.
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Old 09-24-2008, 11:08 PM
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Yes, with computer, try this:
(assume xp): control panel -> system -> hardware -> device manager -> find "zen" / "zen x-fi" device -> right click the device and select "disable"

You can play songs while charging but not transferring files. Of course, you have to "enable" the device again if you want to transfer files.
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Yes, with computer, try this:
(assume xp): control panel -> system -> hardware -> device manager -> find "zen" / "zen x-fi" device -> right click the device and select "disable"

You can play songs while charging but not transferring files. Of course, you have to "enable" the device again if you want to transfer files.
yeah, thats also a possibility...

but obviously just using a wall charger is the more convenient solution.
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Old 09-25-2008, 05:29 AM
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Agree but wall charger is not bundled in the box. Zen/Zen X-Fi need dedicated Creative charger. An example is that mobile phones' charger (mini-USB) may not work with Zen/Zen X-Fi.
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Agree but wall charger is not bundled in the box. Zen/Zen X-Fi need dedicated Creative charger. An example is that mobile phones' charger (mini-USB) may not work with Zen/Zen X-Fi.
It does in my case, using an old razr charger works for me!
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i still use my old ZEN micro charger from ages ago!!
works great with the ZEN.
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Old 09-25-2008, 09:40 PM
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i still use my old ZEN micro charger from ages ago!!
works great with the ZEN.

ZEN micro charger from century ago is still dedicated & Creative/its OEM thing !! They may (I said MAY again. I can't test them all) be compatibility as long as the players have the same socket. I mean non-Creative ones may possibly not work.

http://sg.creative.com/products/prod...t=16648&listby=

Only compatible with the following ZEN MP3 players*:
ZEN X-Fi, ZEN, ZEN Mozaic, ZEN V Plus, ZEN V, ZEN Stone Plus with built-in speaker, ZEN Stone Plus, ZEN Stone with built-in speaker, ZEN Stone, ZEN Wav, ZEN Neeon 2, ZEN Neeon, ZEN MicroPhoto, ZEN Micro

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Old 09-25-2008, 10:01 PM
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Excellent.

Yeah, the USB Computer thing looks a bit complicated, so I'll stick to using my trusty and handy RAZR Travel Charger.
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Add some cream to it and you can shave with ZEN. Brilliant, Yeah.

I will not speculate to buy and test one-by-one that works by trial & error, luck or chance, power from watch, microwave oven, washer, gas engine, rocket, solar power and etc. I've tested the chargers of BlackBerry and Nokia phone, none of them work. The player just waked up without charging. Strange. Some more observed by other guys (so many):

http://forums.creative.com/creativel...120030#M135327

http://forums.creative.com/creativel...119924#M212537

http://forums.creative.com/creativel...cending&page=1

http://forums.creative.com/creativel...119762#M203899

http://forums.creative.com/creativel...cending&page=2

I do not intent to encourage buying Creative products but just like to mention the way that computer can do. Did the question say that it should be the easiest or did I say it is easy ?

Where do the songs in the player come from ? Hard-wired in ZEN or from computer ?
How are the songs converted/downloaded ? From RAZR charger or computer ?

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Old 09-30-2008, 10:01 AM
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Is it possible to play and listen to the ZEN while charging it?

Either through the USB connection to the computer, or through a wall charger?
USB: Yes, disabling the driver should allow for usage of the Zen while plugged in to the USB port and charging at a low current.

Wall Charger: Yes, if the charger is a straight charger that doesn't use resistors to trigger the USB data lines emulating enumeration, you should be able to charge and use the Zen at the same time.

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Yes, with computer, try this:
(assume xp): control panel -> system -> hardware -> device manager -> find "zen" / "zen x-fi" device -> right click the device and select "disable"
Keep in mind this will prolong the charging time. Charging over USB without enumeration only allows 100mA charging current from the USB bus instead of the full 500mA after enumeration.

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Zen/Zen X-Fi need dedicated Creative charger. An example is that mobile phones' charger (mini-USB) may not work with Zen/Zen X-Fi.
The Zen doesn't "need" a dedicated wall charger. Just about any AC charger that uses a mini-B male connector for charging within the input requirements of the Zen should work. See this thread for more information and keep in mind the info from the FAQ:

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Can I use my cell phone's AC Charger to charge my Zen?

The max input voltage of the Zen is around 5v. Most devices that can charge or run off the USB host power can handle the max 5v of USB ports. 4.2 volts is usually the max Lithium ion batteries are charged to. It is usually around when the high voltage circuit is triggered and stops the charging of the battery. I would not connect a charger to the Zen that puts out more volts then 5v. An output current of up to 1A has been known to wrok just fine.
As for the X-Fi, it looks as though Creative has decided to revert back to their shady practices of requiring enumeration before allowing proper charging (More info here) just like with the Zen Micro line of players. What a huge disappointment this is!
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Old 10-03-2008, 10:52 PM
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Keep in mind this will prolong the charging time. Charging over USB without enumeration only allows 100mA charging current from the USB bus instead of the full 500mA after enumeration.
Keep in mind the owners are flexible enough to select a way and control the computer.

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The Zen doesn't "need" a dedicated wall charger. Just about any AC charger that uses a mini-B male connector for charging within the input requirements of the Zen should work. See this thread for more information and keep in mind the info from the FAQ:
This is not still not dedicated. Any AC charger that has "no USB enumeration" AND "connector for charging within the input requirements of the Zen should work".

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As for the X-Fi, it looks as though Creative has decided to revert back to their shady practices of requiring enumeration before allowing proper charging (More info here) just like with the Zen Micro line of players.
Then, I will say this X-Fi charger is also "not dedicated" as long as it is just any "universal" AC charger that [1] requires enumeration and [2] is within the input requirements of ZEN X-Fi, [3] satisfies tones of FAQs in nothingbutxxxx.com, and [4] not ruining the player, should work.

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What a huge disappointment this is!
Totally agree.

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Old 10-04-2008, 09:28 AM
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Keep in mind the owners are flexible enough to select a way and control the computer.
Yes, that is correct, but with slower charge time, which is all I pointed out.... as well an AC charger can be used to provide full charging current to a powered off Zen that won't turn on and enumerate and be given full charging current from the USB bus.

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This is not still not dedicated. Any AC charger that has "no USB enumeration" AND "connector for charging within the input requirements of the Zen should work".
Isn't that what I said?

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Then, I will say this X-Fi charger is also "not dedicated" as long as it is just any "universal" AC charger that [1] requires enumeration and [2] is within the input requirements of ZEN X-Fi, [3] satisfies tones of FAQs in nothingbutxxxx.com, and [4] not ruining the player, should work.
Maybe. Depending on the required ohms resistance needed, not all "universal" chargers can provide the same enumeration emulation (). This is one way how device manufactures try to keep it so their "universal" charger is the only one that works. The chargers are not what requires the enumeration to take place, the device does.

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What a poor design. Also, Creative always don't look from owner's angle. Just put a charger inside the box won't waste our time. Forget it.
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What a poor design.
Yes it is, which one of the reasons why I favor the regular Zen over the X-Fi Zen.
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:22 PM
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I have a regular Zen and I can listen to it while it's charging. I just have a song playing when I attach it to the computer.
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I have a regular Zen and I can listen to it while it's charging. I just have a song playing when I attach it to the computer.
Interesting.... neither one of my Zen's continue to play the song when plugged in. The song stops and the screen switches to show that they are docked.
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Could it be plugged in a Windows XP PC without Creative's media transferring software and WMP (v10 or above) ?

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I don't know why but for some reason, my Zen start doing just like Joe's Gal's Zen. When I plugged it into a USB port, it keeps on playing the music. The only way to see my Zen in "Docked" mode is to open the Zen Media Explorer. That's kinda weird cause it started doing it today.
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Could it be plugged in a Windows XP PC without Creative's media transferring software and WMP (v10 or above) ?
Yes, but since the OS won't have MTP installed or the driver for the Zen, it most likely won't get recognized properly or even charge with the faster current.
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